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Nuggets at Thunder: More than miles divide this rivalry... (6pm MST)

Denver Nuggets at Oklahoma City Thunder, Feb 19, 2012 6:00 PM MST


30-plus games into the 2011-12 lockout season, it's clear that the Oklahoma City Thunder are leaps and bounds ahead of our Denver Nuggets. And with the Nuggets still beset by injuries, winning at Oklahoma City on Sunday night will be no easy feat.

Star-divide

Game: 32

Records:
Denver:
17-14 (9-7 on the road)
Streak: Lost 2
Oklahoma City: 23-7 (11-1 at home)
Streak: Won 1

Injuries:
Denver
: Timofey Mozgov (left ankle sprain) is probable. Danilo Gallinari (left ankle sprain) is out. Nene Hilario (left calf strain) is questionable.
Oklahoma City: Eric Maynor (torn ACL) is out. Thabo Sefolosha (right foot soreness) is out. Kendrick Perkins (right knee contusion) is day-to-day. Russell Westbrook (sprained right ankle) is probable.

Television: ESPN and Altitude 2

Season Series: 0-0

Opposition's Take: Daily Thunder

With the Carmelo Anthony Era in Denver appearing further and further in our collective rear view mirrors (and seeing Melo's current team, the Knicks, rack up win after win without him) there's not much to miss about not having Melo around. With one exception.

Melo owned the Oklahoma City Thunder. And without him, the Thunder now own the Nuggets.

With Melo on board, the Nuggets were 8-2 against the Thunder (since the franchise relocated to Oklahoma City from Seattle in 2008). Since Melo's departure, the Nuggets are 1-6 against their neighboring state rivals, including last year's playoffs when the Thunder won in five games. Granted, the Nuggets were a few suspect calls away from making that playoff series more competitive, but even die-hard Nuggets fans must admit that the Thunder out-muscled, out-rebounded and out-energy'd the Nuggets in that series.

Entering the lockout-shortened 2011-12 season, many thought that the Nuggets and Thunder were two of the few teams best positioned to fight through a brutal 66-game schedule in 120 days. The theory being that both teams had the three things a team needs to survive this season: youth, height and depth. And yet 30-plus games into this squirrely season, and with both teams beset by injuries to key players, the Thunder have been able to survive handsomely while the Nuggets are treading water.

Of course, it helps when Kevin Durant plays on your team. The reigning scoring champ has seen his points per game drop a bit, but he his averaging career highs in field goal percentage, rebounds, assists and blocks and is giving LeBron James a run for the league MVP award. Proving once again that the NBA is a star-driven league, Durant's Thunder boast the Western Conference's second-best home record and the league's second-best overall record.

In the Thunder's lone home loss, on January 3rd to the Portland Trail Blazers, the Thunder were playing the second of a back-to-back and their third game in four nights. The Blazers took advantage of this by holding Durant to just 19 points on 8-26 shooting, the Thunder overall to just 25% shooting from three-point range and a mere 93 points. Like Denver, the Thunder win games by scoring north of 100 points.

Unfortunately for the Nuggets, they won't be catching the Thunder on a back-to-back or on their third game in four days. The Thunder last played Friday night, at home, and have been in Oklahoma City since Thursday morning. In that Friday game - against the lowly Golden State Warriors - the Thunder easily took care of the Warriors despite having no Kendrick Perkins, no Thabo Sefolosha, a previously ill Durant and losing all-star guard Russell Westbrook to a sprained ankle late in the third quarter. Compare that to Denver's outing against the Warriors 11 days ago in Denver when the Nuggets allowed the Warriors to walk all over them, (even with Nene in the game for Denver) and you can't blame Nuggets fans for lacking confidence heading into Sunday night's game.

To their credit, the Nuggets finally showed some mettle in Friday's thriller at Memphis ... just two days removed from showing no mettle whatsoever at Dallas.

So which Nuggets team will show up at Oklahoma City on Sunday? The one that overcame a horrendous first half at Memphis to almost win that game? Or the one that allowed the Thunder to muscle them around in the playoffs last year?

SCOUTING THE THUNDER

Thunder Non-Stiffs

-Kevin Durant: Simply put, Durant is one of the top-three players in the NBA right now alongside LeBron James and Derrick Rose.

-James Harden: I thought the Nuggets' Al Harrington had a great shot at winning the NBA's Sixth Man of the Year Award ... until I looked closer at Harden's production off the bench. With numbers like Harden's 17.0 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.5 apg - combined with the Thunder's winning ways - Harden is likely a lock for the award.

-Serge Ibaka: Ibaka has become the NBA's blocks leader with 3.0 per game and is an exceptionally efficient offensive player, as well.

Thunder Stiffs

-Russell Westbrook: When your team is 11-1 at home and holds the NBA's second-best overall record, you aren't going to find too many Stiffs. And playing-wise, Westbrook certainly isn't one. But his incessant whining with the referees and reckless play haven't garnered him any respect from Nuggets fans.

-Kendrick Perkins: Speaking of getting no respect from Nuggets fans, Perkins almost killed one after Game 4 in Denver last year and yet somehow didn't get a suspension from the league for his post-game actions.

FINAL THOUGHT

The NBA schedule makers screwed the Nuggets (shocking) by scheduling two of the Nuggets' three games versus the Thunder in Oklahoma City, but the Nuggets must make the most of it and steal one of these two games on the road to regain some confidence on the road.

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Comments

Not feeling optimistic.

Afflalo needs to show up. Al needs to show up, or his minutes need to get cut dramatically, as they were on Friday. He was great for the Nuggets for about a month, now he looks like he’s got nothing left in the tank. Those 2, along with Miller in the first half on Friday, were the 3 who were a big part of burying the Nuggets early.

It won’t matter if Faried, Brewer & Andersen all show up and bring the same effort they did in Memphis and 6 of the first 7 in the rotation play like trash.

Ya birds been playing well..

So let’s trade him. That ticks me off. Everone on this team has been inconsistent or hurt. But for some reason it’s bird who’s the problem. Bull, why can’t Karl rake some blame? Faired should be in the starting line up or at least the rotation when that charmin nene is “hurt” wink wink. Sorry for the rant but I just don’t get how this team is so talented and the best we can do is possible trade bird? How about putting a foot in the coach’s ass first befor you mess with the roster

Faried*
May I ask why you doubt that Nene is truly injured?
That dude needs to toughen up.

Thats all I’m going to say.

If you have some proof that he is not as injured as he claims,

I would love to hear it. Do I want him to play more aggressively when he’s on the floor? Yup. But to doubt that he’s injured is just not right, imo.

IAWTC wholeheartedly
What

the hell is up with guys who don’t play basketball at a level anywhere near Division III level, let alone NBA level, claim that players are faking injuries and should “toughen up.” Especially with a player who has absolutely no history of milking injuries. Don’t make shit up and throw it at other people.

Just my opinion friend

Don’t take it to heart.

Sick and tired of the Nene bashing

Its a joke. Hes one of our best players. He bangs down low with the big dogs like a big man should. Not like Harrington who thinks hes a guard. Nothing more frustrating than playing with a big man who wants to play like a guard. Nene bangs down low and plays hard.NBA players get injured sometimes. Let the guy heal. We need him. People who call Nene soft have no idea what they are talking about. Period.

I agree with your agreement
No inside info

Just saying dude has had some kind of ailment practically all season. Time to play the team needs him and no doubt he needs too be way more aggressive.

So, you're saying that he's not really injured, or that he

won’t do any more damage if he plays? I don’t get that. Also, it is my opinion that it was due to him playing before his heel injury was full healed that led to the calf strain. I also don’t have any inside information to back this up.

Finally, you continue to downplay his injury in your language (hurt, ailment) as if it’s something he just has to push through. If you don’t have any inside information, then don’t speak as if you do. I’ll leave it to the Nuggets Dr’s, Trainers and, yes, Nene to decide when he can play without risk of further injury. I would rather have him miss a few games now so that we can have him fully healthy later.

NenĂª quote from yesterday...
“Right now I need to rest myself because I had an injury, and I created another injury because I tried to force myself,” he said.

Source

Moral of the story is...

people need to stop thinking they know what they are talking about and believe the people who know best.

Yeah, like when you have successfully identified a homeless person.
ha

But then they would have to accept that George Karl knows more about coaching and basketball then they do…

look we cant know whats up with Nene but

I think there’s a better chance that Nene has played when he souldnt have than he’s not playing when he should be

And, frankly there is no great rush to get Nene in there becase a subpar Nene isnt going to help us beat our next few opponents anyway. Nene is a cog, a good cog but a cog nonetheless.

When we have Moz and Gallo back, we wont even need Nene as much but he will complete our front line and make us formidable.

Until then suck it up, thank God for the all star break because otherwise Feb is shaping up to be brutal

I did call out Nene in a way the other night b/c I felt that playing one night and sitting out another was bad for the team. In the comments I suggested he sit out for a month or so to heal up instead of being in and out of the lineup. Glad to see he’s taking more time off, but I’m worried he’ll be sitting a lot all season.

I can’t question his injury, like others suggest I have no clue how bad it is, but I will question why he’s allowed to be in and out of the lineup so often, seems bad for the team. I guess if you feel good one day and bad the next it’s hard to not play. Frustrating though.

agree

might be best to keep out Nene until Gallo joins team. They’ll both be health (?) and beastin

Why did I hear nothing about perkins and the Nuggets fan?

Not expecting much this game.

I seem to remember it being mentioned here back at the time

But didn’t see it discussed anywhere else. I decided to believe it, though, and have despised Perkins ever since.

Either of you care to expand?

Not sure if I just missed the story, or don’t remember it. Either way, it would be appreciated if somebody could fill me in.

we're gonna win this one...

believe me, we are the good guys and this is our comeback!

Where's LL Cool J when you need him.
Playing NCIS Agent?
I wonder if he still needs his radio.
Nah. He has his inner ear comms now!
But that's not his radio.

LL YOU LYING BASTARD.

LOL fair point!
I kid.

I really like LL Cool J. One of my favorite rappers growing up. And he seems like a good guy as well.

Me too.

Plus he’s really easy on the eyes……..ahem…brb

Good choice SD.
Heh. I'm pretty sure I'm not the

only woman (or man for that matter) that has this opinion. LOL

Talking LL.

Look at my profile pic.

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OT: Grizz win again by a tip in with little to no time left :p
They are such teases!
Just saw that.

Weird game. Memphis up 18, then down 11, then win off another tip in. This can’t possibly be sustainable.

Damn the luck
Like your sig tknuckle.
Thanks
Gay is the lucky one

again, the tip in was after a missed shot by him…

but how could that be?

Isnt Gay an example of one of those go-to closers that we so sorely lack?

I'm predicting the Nuggets win against OKC

I saw something in that Grizz loss that was very encouraging. Accountability. Faried owned up to not blocking out on Cunningham. Like it. The team was pissed. Like that too.

Some fire. Watch out Thunder!

having accountability

does not mean we’re going to beat OKC…short-handed and on the road, we will prob lose by 10+…

we will win
I hope your right..
I like it and I hope your right!
I'm with you

I’m predicting the same!

Jeff and Dan, re your predictions

I’m smiling and hoping, but hoping more than smiling

There’s no reason for us to win, but it IS Sunday and, you know, “On any given Sunday, any team ….”

According to Biff Tannen

Nuggs win 117-106!

http://kotaku.com/5886118/biff-tannen-predicts-this-weekends-biggest-sports-matchups

jesus

54 points? thats alot even for KD and with a defender with brewer on him (i think) for the night im not sure he will get that but you never know he erupted a couple times against chandler last year but still thats a very bold prediction

Good old Biff Tannen! lol
OT: CSU beats down Wyoming!
wooooooooo!!!
fuck this team!

we are barely making the playoffs in the west if the season ended tomorrow we would play okc in the first round and probably lose!!! how is trading melo working for us?? oh yea still losing in the first round like always

This a crazy, frustrating season

but I still think losing Melo will ultimately be a blessing in disguise.

Every team needs people who can jump-start the team when it’s in a funk, and carry the scoring load when others are cold. But to win a championship, it is crucial for these stars to play team ball, focus on defense and create comraderie – more important than scoring 25+ ppg.

How do the stars stack up in this light? Durant? Yes; Rose? Yes; LBJ? Yes; Melo? No; Monta? No.

Gallo? I still say Yes. Ty? Next year. In the meantime, OKC is the better team, and IMO going all the way. It certainly would be satisfying to burn them on their court.

go root for OKC then
yeah cause Melo has so helped NY, yuk yuk

He’s been their best cheerleader that’s for sure.

its KILLIN' him

that they’re winning without him

You know this how. He emailed you?
clinical psychologist

I have a fairly good sense of those things.

Suck at Chess good at psychology. Just sayin’ – it aint coming from nowhere.

Must be a magical science.

You don’t even have to get a guy on your couch. Watch a few games and a few interviews and you have him figured out. Cool.

Oh and if he emailed me

then we would all know the truth right

Be real, its my opinion like its your opinion that Melo is thrilled. How do you know that?

BTW “good sense” does not equal “magical science”

why distort what I mean/say?
I heard an interview with Lin where he said

Melo is a great guy. I really look up to him.

Then an interview with D’antoni where he said he first put Lin in the game at Melo’s urging.

Then you say its killing melo that the Knicks are winning without him.

wow!

people say the “right” things during interviews. Amazing. I’m shocked. What do you expect Lin to say?

Yes, its killing Malo that the Knicks are doing great without him. Yes. A thousand times, yes.

PS: You would trust my instincts if they corroborated your opinion, right?

of course, by "malo" I meant "melo"

but, honestly, same thing

I think it's a bit of stretch to

analyze Melo (or anyone) without actually, you know, sitting down with them for what, 3 sessions at least?

3 sessions arent enough, and I'm not an "analyst"

and most Melo fans would be OK if I said that Melo felt great about Lin’s success

But based on watching Melo over 7 yrs, a dozen interviews, print media, my opinion is that Melo is not team oriented and is very concerned with how he appears in the pantheon of stars.

That doesnt mean I’m an expert on Melo, or that Melo is a bad guy. Melo is not a bad guy just has poor basketball values.

Does my background entitle me to claim some specialness in this opinion? No. I’ve been wrong plenty of times. But based on my experience, education and long standing interest, my educated opinion should be considered, agree or not.

And Cat, I still appreciate Melo fans coming to his defense because THAT is a good value to demonstrate.

But I disliked his game so much while he was on Denver that I only watched Nug games in which I had interest in the other team so for me, so there is no particular reason for me to demonstrate any magnanimity towards Melo (his game, not as a person outside of court)

and, no one ever could have thought we'd be good

with our best/most valuable players out. And there’s really no way to have predicted that

But if you want to watch the Knicks, this is the time because Lin is ballin’ & JR contributing and Melo out

don't what to to expect out of this team anymore

Not sure what or who motivates this team on a regular basis. For years it has been about getting the “right” players for the money which we seems to be achieving now with more competent front office. The scary thing is even with the 15-7 start there were games left on the table that would have made the current stretch bearable, this team could have been within a game of OKC even with the 5 game losing streak. They lost some close games that didn’t have to come down to poorly drawn up AND executed close to last second heaves. Injuries happen and is it just me but teams without the depth we have seem to be weathering their injuries better than the Nuggets are. We seem to live and die with the fastbreak and 3pt’ers, but miss layups too much, can’t hit FT’s, and not many guys on this team can hit at 15ft or less jumper with any consistency. We’re at the point where the coaching of this team from the top down to the assistants needs to be scrutinized. The Nuggets need to do it Dallas style and get some old school coaches on the bench to get these players back to basics of defense, rebounding, and teach halfcourt offense principles to use more efficiently when the run and gun isn’t working.

I have no clue what's going to happen tonight

but I want to see the starting five be

Mozgov
Faried
Brewer
AAA
Ty

no more Kosta Doufas starting please

lets hope that the PT the youngins are getting now

Will pay future dividends if and when the roster is healthy, and the coaches figure out how to manage the depth better than they were doing before the injuries.

You act like KK is playing bad yet you think its important to start AAA

Why don’t you just say ‘I would rather Moz start over KK because Moz is my favorite.’

I'm just saying Moz is way better than K2

He can catch the ball in the lane! I would replace AAA also but Rudy is as up and down as he is

These are important stats that you should be familiar with

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=c&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dc

As you can see, Kufos is a more efficient player than Moz.

whatever dude I don't have insider

I’m just saying I would prefer Moz over K2. If you remember, Moz was the one that was holding up the Melo trade

You don't need insider to look at that URL.

I don’t care about the Melo trade. That dude is long gone. What we have to work with now is what is more interesting; namely, Mozgov and Kufos.

I’m not emotional about who gets to play, I want the best guy out there and I think it’s Kufos.

Well I think it's Moz that should start

I just brought up the trade because Moz was the one holding it up. That’s all. i don’t give a shit about melo

stats aren't everything

Moz is much better at defending the lane and altering shots. Moz really helps on the pick and roll defense much more than Koufos

Agree 100%

We need Moz back

I think it partly depends on the type of team we are playing
Wow

Kosta Doufas? Really? Come on kid. The guys been great. Prefering Mozgov is one thing but KK is going to be here for a while and he should be. Very promising big man. You are showing your ignorance.

I will be at the game tonight, so hopefully I can give us some luck

Back on the positive train! I like it.

JR Swish

getting ready to check in!

He's in
yeah

he’s hit two 3’s. We screwed the pooch on that one

Couldn't agree more.

And he has a steal

this

Times infinity…shoulda kept JR over Karl

JR showing why GK is an incompetent coach

I am rooting for JR to prove Karl wrong. Thanks Karl for getting rid of JR, now he is going to show you made a grave mistake!

And thanks FO

for re-signing the wrong SG

it would be nice to have a player that can hit an open jumper
We weren't going to re-sign Smith

As long as Karl was here Smith was not coming back.
JR showing again great passing ability and 3 pt shooting.
Great job Karl!!!! Great job!! JR is reminding me why I loved the Nuggets.
Thanks for ruining that Karl!!!

still shouldn't have re-signed AAA to that kind of money
agreed

Especially since no one else even gave him an offer

Oh JR15

I really like JR, but that ship sailed long ago.

And like JR, 3 for 3, followed by 0 for 5. Thats JR too.

Lets get our guys back, resign Chandler and we’ll be OK until then we can through the occasional pining for (fill in the blank) (Melo, JR, KMart). I wish we still had Kmart though.

One of those misses was because Lin was

ballhogging and got trapped. JR had to shoot from half court.

You and me and half of the rest of the stiffs as well
nice assist for the swish
This is the JR we remember

He’ll falter and be playing stupid basketball before too long. Still don’t miss him.

Yeah Rudy and AAA are sooooooooo much better. /smh
Yeah

AAA and Rudy are beasts. They are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than JR Swish

LMFAO

Right?

They’ve been unstoppable this year.

They are definitely shoe ins for the Hall of Fame

the way they have been playing this year

I wouldn't be surprised

for them to be in a special induction during the ASB.

I won't defend Rudy

He sucks. But I got so sick of JR’s airheadedness that I will not lament his departure.

disagree completely

we needed him back. Who do we have off the bench that can bring it like he did?

Who do we even have as a starter that can?
very true

it just breaks my heart seeing Swish light it up in another uniform.

Thanks a lot Karl

Karl prob thought the same thing about Ray Allen

When he ran him out of town like he did with JR.

Karl needs to go
ppI point out that that shot against dirk was a bad shot, but that was one of those pIays where the offense didnt have a pIay so he tried to make a pIay.

when you have that kind of shot makin abiIity, you take it.

Never thought I would say this

but I might have to root for the Knicks in the east

we'll see

I still think JR has a better chance at winning a ring sometime than Karl does

I agree

that’s why I said Karl needs to be fired

agreed

History speaks for itself. Karl is a terrible playoff coach, and we won’t have success there with him at head coach

Agree

we will proll ymake the playoffs but will be bounced out in the first round as always

x

sorry

but I have seen this horrible movie before

Uh. What?
The Nuggets losing in the first round
That is why Karl should be gone if we get beat in the first round with a healthy roster
Karl better start playing Hamilton

That is the only way the sting of JR lighting up teams in a non Nugget uniform gets mitigated.
I think AAA will be fine, but Rudy has got to go, the dude just sucks alright. He has only had one good game. At least JR had more good games than bad games.
I can’t wait for Hamilton to replace Rudy.

As long as Karl is coach

Hamilton will never get any real run

cut affIaIo in the off season, re sign jr, NYK dont have room to pay him.
Straight to the ears of Ujiri!!!!!
can we amnesty AAA?
Nope. Have to be atrade
Damn

I don’t know of anybody who would trade for him

What? Why would we get rid of AAA?

He’s been progressively better…..

I would seriously consider cutting AAA if he doesn't get his shit together

the dude is awful this season

Guys AAA will be fine

He had 4 straight good games, and a few bad ones. He is coming around. Rudy is the one who has to go.
I also think Hamilton’s D will improve like JR’s. I like how Hamilton can block well.

Rudy’ll be gone either way.

2 of those good games

were against the Suns and Warriors. very sub par teams

But we lost to one of those teams lol
yeah someone tried to say AAA had a nice stretch

and I put together a counter argument

I wanna see Hamilton play too

But I think he’s still a liability on D, and that’s why he doesn’t play.

Im a bit worried about this game

Denver will have to come out strong out the gate and playa flawless game to win this game…. im worried.

i think we all are
Nope it's Karl

This team will not be focused and get down by 15 early

NN, hysterical!

A “bit worried” ?

Why? Because they owned us last year? Because they’re playing .800 ball this year. because we are decimated?

Why would you be a bit worried?

You are right, that's the only way we could win because OKC is clicking and we need to as well to beat them.

That being said, I think Nuggets need to factor in things like can we even beat OKC without our starters and if not, why kill everyone. I think it would be kind of funny to start Faried, Bird, Jham, Stone and Miller.

that would be unny, as funny as

a 120 – 60 loss

I always figured JR would take Spree’s number.

weII jr's out of the game, he'II probabIy be back Iater tho.

unIike if he was here, then maybe next game.

Looks like the Knicks have become my second favorite team

I went to a nerd school (MIT) and their starting backcourt has two players from nerd schools(Harvard and Stanford).
Of course they have JR Smith too.
If the Nuggets keep playing like shit I may have to jump ship. Karl makes no adjustments though he has the talent, it is just infuriating and I would rather follow a fun team than the excuses Karl brings. The main person on the Nuggets who needs to get his shit together is Karl.

Hey guys....just an FYI...while you can blame alot of things on George Karl

don’t be so quick to blame JR’s departure on him. Just sayin’…

Also, the Nuggets will win tonight.

Nah.

Yes they will

Nah.

yep

Hmmmm…

isnt this where the

pal-buddy routine starts?

Only if you speak Canadian.
Ah, Oui Oui mon Frere
Je ne suis pas ton frere
Je ne suis pas ton frere, copain
I have no idea what you guys are saying

but you know

giggete

its the pal buddy routine in french

they think they’re cute

I figured that out
i guessed that right after I posted

:) I’m laughing at a moderate but sustained rate

Poutine?

Good stuff.

Je ne suis pas ton copain, mon ami.
Je ne suis pas votre ami, Guy
You can't play

Changing the gender conjugation is too much work

And votre is very formal

I thought we were friends….:(

Tell it to google translate
Cheater!

J’ai etude le francais pour six ans, mais, je ne comprends pas le francais

It's not cheating

It’s using resources.

Je ne suis pas ton ami, mon comprere

Ou, si tu prefere…

non sono il mio fratello, ragazzo

Disagree

we can put some of the blame on Karl because there was no way in hell JR would come back with Karl still the coach

Karl is 100% to blame for JR
yup

But I still hope we win tonight!

That's the perception....yes
How is the perception wrong?

They didn’t fight the entire time he was here?

Karl is 100% to blame for JR's departure

Kinda funny how we had a lead when JR was in the OKC series(game 3 and 5), but Karl decided to sit him down. That said it all.
As I said JR would have to have no brain cells to want to play for Karl again after the way Karl treated him.

Agree

karl sucks. I want the dude gone. We need a defensive minded coach who actually knows how to put a gameplan together

When’s D’antoni’s contract gonna be up?

I sense sarcasm

Look very closely you can see the love put into that.

nah come one JR

i dont like Karl much either but part of the problem is in JR’s gray matter

Agree on the former, considering that latter.
I'm sick of Karl

and his lame ass 2 PG lineups

dont forget the

4 guard line ups

yeah with Al at center

that just disgusts me

How does Tyson Chandler not get T'd up all the fucking time?

Basketball Reasons.

Never thought I’d ever see Spike in a Harvard jersey.

OT: Do any of you play 2K12?

I usually play online and yesterday I was playing with the Knicks and they are so good in that game

Lin's only rated 75?

WACIST!!

yeah that sucks

but he’s averaging 18 assists in the five games I’ve played with them

Magic just cursed the Knicks

Oh uh, why you got to do that Magic!!

Seems like the case since he left TNT.

this jr smith love is ridiculous

In ten minutes he’s managed to chuck up eight shots which had equated to nine points. That’s not a good thing

First game back from China

I say it’s pretty good especially since he is still on Chinese time.
Rudy couldn’t do that if he tried. He would blame some random injury for his crappy play.

That Chinese Herbal Medicine does wonders.

Agree about rudy

He even took JR’s number. He will never be JR

That might very well be a blessing in disguise.

nah

That’s more on Karl being able to live 7 years longer now that JR’s gone.

Yeah Karl can live 7 years long

but not as being Nuggets coach.

Don’t let him hear that.

yeah, I necver know about JR but

I know about Rudy and he’s average, pure and simple

yeah, JR is bipolar

LOVE him when he’s up but just wait, they’ll be a downturn

The Nuggets should have included JR in that trade last season and taken Fields back, haha.

Crazy that JR signed there. He is fun to watch and the lack of Nuggets shooting has people dreaming for him back in Denver … more knee jerk reaction as if he was 2-10 today folks wouldn’t be so high on him. I like JR and hope he has a successful season.

At least NY’s got the Tats now. So Bird for Jared Jeffries?

hahaha, Ty has been sleeving up his right arm ... looking for a trade? hahaha jokes
fields would be great but like a Nene

the system/team has to be right or else he is ineffective

Re-sign Dice and offer that trade to NY again, Chandler + Fields = Profit.

my reaction isn't knee jerk

just wish JR was still here. We desperately need someone off the bench who gives us some pop

x

this

agree with being confused on the JR love. the games i remember him scoring 30 were games where we won by 20+. scoring points in blowouts against bad teams doesnt really impress me all that much

the reason they were blowouts

were usually BECAUSE JR was hot

ok I want another person who gives us pop

Don’t even put a picture of Al up

Yeah why would you do that

It’s not like he is the third leading scorer per game and second leading rebounder per game. Its not like he’s scored more points or grabbed as many rebounds as anyone else on the team…Oh wait.
It’s like Andrew said, if Harden wasn’t having such a huge year he’d have a real good shot at winning 6th man.

I like Fields too.

I like JR but if I had to choose it would be Landry Fields all day. He is consistent and more of it good than bad.

More consistent defender.

Why they didn't trade jr and Kmart is beyond me
60%

Who on the Nuggs right now is shooing the 60% 3 ball?

ummm...sample size?
carroll didnt miss a shot for us

i.e. he is the best player on the team

BTW, what's up with JR's hair?

I can’t even imagine what look he was going for

It's wierd... maybe thats why his hair was always real short here...

Not even surprised.

nice pass JR
obviously better than fernandez... by alot

Faried has a sad….

I was just pointing out that JR made a nice play

but I see your JR hate. That pass by fernandez to faried was sick

Not really hate.

I just also recognized his flaws.

Jr was always a good passer
Not all ended up with the right player, but he does try to thread the needle well

Looks awesome when they wrork

JR and Bird always had some good back and forth.

Tattoo telepathy.

Those were the good ole days

Who ever said we can’t drive.

Magic johnson said great pointguards can pass,score and lead

Ty lawson can pass,score… just needs to find that leadership

And maybe grow a few inches.

his height doesn't really matter, chris paul is only 6'0

At best Ty might be Mugsy, and I’m fine with that.

Yeah Lawson is the same height as CP3

But he has a knuckleball jumpshot, if he could shoot better then he would be a better point guard.

He could maybe wear two pair of shoes

Get them flatforms.

This woulid make him a legit six footer.

nene already wears these

You’d think Gallo could give him some Jimmy Choos.

I bet Nenes wife wears these.

Better be with his salary.

She has style, is beautiful and

probably a tougher defender than Nene.

Looking back now

We screwed the pooch when we traded Dice.

I never saw him play. I think I was like 1 year old.
We traded him

For Camby and Neners.

My dad complains about it even to this day.
anybody else miss Chauncey?

The Clippers.

true

i was talking about us however

I'm glad he's gone

Otherwise we would have ANOTHER injured starter.

Im not gonna lie... i love the energy and atmosphere at the garden

They’re partying like it’s 1998.

Here is where Karl eats his words

Jr swishin threes for NY while we drown in brickland

Loved JR Smith when he was here,

but one game (not even a complete one yet) does not a turn around make. I do think he’ll do well with the Knicks, but he’ll still have “those” games.

He fits more in the Pringles system.

To be fair, who doesn't.

I’m not talking about the beat your head against the goalpost, yeah he’s done that.

But if you want to talk about games where a guy chucks up the three ball over and over even though he really needs to stop it we could be talking about Chauncey, AAA, Allen, the list goes on.

No turn around needed to be made

He was great last year..played team ball..played defense..never got rewarded for it..karls fault.gonna miss jr..wont miss karl

I wonder if anyone will ask george karl in a post game interview what he thinks of JR.
If I see him there ill ask him
Lol he will prob say

Something like I never thought JR was a bad player.
But his actions spoke louder than his words see OKC series. The writing was on the wall, I am honestly impressed JR hung around Karl for so long. That was a ton of patience on JR’s part especially the way Karl continually made him a scapegoat and threw him under the bus.

Nuggets need JR

So george will stop throwing Ty under the bus.

Im sure melo and JR are crackin jokes about karl
there's that pull-up 20 footer JR inexplicably loves so much
He's channeling Karl Malone again
steve novak for 3
I'm thinking JR

is rocking headphone hair. Long flight

It looks like a cut...a very perplexing one, though
He tweeted about it
and what did he tweet?

(not currently following JR)

He posted a pic of it right after he got it cut and called it the bishop cut.
Steve Novak is beastin
I like how this has become a Knicks game thread

We got that Huang Fever.

JR making me miss the old Nuggets

I still have hope in the new Nuggets and think Hamilton can be the new JR (with being Karl’s scapegoat and everything), did I mention I can’t wait for Rudy to go so Hamilton can take his minutes!!

Hamilton can be a GK type, so tebow like you never tebow’d before.

Hamilton

he does wear JR’s original number

Lebron wore 23, doesn’t mean anything.

Lin has a great backpedal-after-big-shot.
Sometimes I catch myself wondering

what it would be like to have a player that can shoot consistently.

wilson chandler!
You just made me laugh.

And not in a happy way.

chandlers mid range game is great...
Gallo when he is on!
This is my point exactly.

“When he’s on”

I think he used the word consistent in there somewheres.

You forgot about the Legend of Vashon.

Greg Buckner Yokouba Diawara or however you spell it
Did anyone else notice JR is getting minutes?

Karl would never play JR this long ever!!! Even if JR was on pace to hit 14/18 threes like he did in China.

Because he has a coach that believes in him

Or fits the Pringles offense.

he has a coach that believes in him

Too early, to tell.

I'm already telling

He will have more freedom under Dantoni

The thing is, every player has freedom under Pringles. See: Boris Diaw.

duh that's why I said he will have more freedom
I can see their crunch time lineup being

Chandler, STAT, Melo, JR, and Lin.
Karl would never ever play JR in crunch time unless there were injuries or Karl had a gun to his head.
So I don’t know how people think Karl isn’t the reason JR left. He wouldn’t be able to play important minutes with Karl at the helm.

Agree

Karl was the sole reason he left

But it doesn’t mean JR was a boy scout either.

I see you're a Karl defender

I waffle on the issue, or ignore it altogether.

ok

if you were a defender I would tell you to be content with mediocrity

Of course not

But he is a talented player who deserves to play in crunch time over players like Anthony Carter or Raymon Felton.

I was talking to kevin

I agree with you

My of course not was replying to the comment

That JR is no boyscout

That one, was utter stupidity.

Lin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
legit
Lingit
Lincredible
Super Lintendo

This was the best one.

agreed.... i was only watching to see jr... this game is exciting
I kinda like the knicks

I’ve been saying this, they’re us in 2007.

Knicks vs. Heat in conference finals

that would be riveting TV

knicks vs heat 2nd round is more likely
maybe maybe not

still will be fun to watch

Needs some Van Gundy.

It's official Knicks are fun to watch

And Pringles realizes JR>>Fields.
Finally a coach who knows JR is good.
Btw JR’s runout on Terry was the reason he got that go ahead bucket.
And people criticize his defense SMH.

Didn’t know JR brought some fans back from China.

jr smith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad they didn't give dirk that call

Over/Under Melo disrupts the groove.

I hope he doesn't

but he prolly will

Corey Brewer @CoreyBrewer13

Great game but now it’s nap time hope everyone watches nuggets and thunder on espn tonight

So the Knicks win, not b/c of two stars but b/c of two castoffs... Ha.
Yep, I bet Knicks lose without JR.
who's the other castoff?

I hope you don’t mean JR and his 6-16

The dude just got off a plane from China and played without practing

cut the guy some slack

Yeah beause his hustle and defense and passing

don’t count towards a win.

Lin???

I got to give Pringles credit, he gave him a shot when other coaches didn’t. Oh btw he also played JR and recognizes true game.
If only Karl gave Faried and Hamilton a shot…o wait its Karl it won’t happen.

technically

Faried is getting his shot. That’s only because big softy is out. I agree with you though, Karl will not give hamilton any run

again, jr is productive in other ways, he's a compIete pIayer.

that defense on dirk was great.

I bet the Knicks are wishing they didn't sign Davis
I bet the Nuggets are wishing they didn't sign Afflalo
I've been already saying that

big mistake by Masai

not re sign affIaIo, but payin him that much money when there was no competition, they couId have got him for much Iess.

and he wouId have been much easier to trade. kind of Iike what they are about to do with chandIer and ty, and maybe in a way with gaIIo, shouId have Iet gaIIo pIay out a season before payin him.

I disagree on Gallo

I think he will be a star for us, but I’m with you on the other 3

I think Gallo's absence

is proving his worth right now

I think you could also say that about Melo.
Calm down about AAA

I guarantee he will be worth his money in time.

wel lhis time is running out with me
Like Golden State's was running out on Lin?
don't even do that comparison
I'm just saying be patient

The talent is there with AAA. He just needs to let the game come to him.

Well don't use the Lin comparison

Lin wasn’t making $43 million in Golden State. AAA needs to man up and live up to his contract

And he will is what I am saying
you can't guarantee that
Just as you can't guarantee he won't :p
Hey old man

I missed arguing with you

lol...too tired from being old to argue much.

so let me sum up. JR played engaged basketball today. When he does so, he’s solid on D, and has the ability to be electrifying on O. It is exactly what I expected of him in his first game back in the states with a new team. that does not mean it will continue (I hope it does, as he’s a joy to watch when engaged). Way too soon to judge however. AAA has not been the player we wanted/hoped when he signed the contract. But, he in the past has shown an incredible work ethic, and the ability to let the past go and concentrate on the future. Again, way too soon to judge.

I guess nothing is guaranteed but death and taxes

But you get the sense that AAA will be more that guy who scored 20+ points for 4 games and played tenacious defense.
Vs the one who gets tired and shoots short.
It is kinda like Joakim Noah with the contract. It’s a head thing and I think that can be corrected especially with a smarter guy like AAA.

Well he better start tonight
AAA has always seemd like a standup guy.

He’s not all flash and ooh look at me I’m a bazillionaire now. At least he doesn’t strike me as that kind of guy. The question is, wtf is the deal. Doesn’t seem like its physical so maybe he needs a vacation or something. I don’t know what but I can’t imagine him staying this way forever.

All the other debates aside (salary etc) I think he is the kind of guy who will figure it out.

he's not someone who can make pIays for himseIf, and this team Iacks pIaymakers.

miIIer can do some stuff in the haIf court, but a Iot of that is for the bigs who make back cuts and stuff.

My problem with AAA

is that who else were we bidding with for him?

Like I said

All the other debates aside, AAA seems like a good guy who cares enough to figure out his problems and fix them.

yeah just wondering if any other team had him on their radar
We probably will never know

But I can’t imagine other teams were not interested.

that's why I'm peeved about the contract

but I agree that he’s a stand up guy and will work hard to get back to the old AAA. That hamstring injury really set him back

see jr's shot wasnt faIIin, but he pIayed nice defense on dirk, and made that run out for a big pIay.

ppI get on jr way too much because of his outside shootin, he is a compIete pIayer. aIthough why he’s not gettin in the paint is weird, kind of Iack of confidence when he has aII that athIetic abiIity.

JR will go to the rim

He needs to practice with the Knicks first though

Uh wilson chandler is back in america?
are you serious?

any word on his status?

I saw on his twitter someone asked what he took back here he said private jet

plus he posted a pic of him gettin a hair cut… he never got one is china so

That's nice

would like to here about his playing status though

didnt say anything about that, still has to be cleared i think
If one who wasn't familiar with the Nuggets were to read Denver Stiffs recently

and go by the comments, they would most likely conclude

Wilson Chandler has mythical, team-saving game

and

JR Smith was the greatest Nuggets player since David Thompson.

It’s interesting the ebbs and flows of public opinion. If you were to take a poll after the Thunder series in the playoffs last season you would conclude that Wilson Chandler was a bum who didn’t bother to show up for the playorrs, and JR Smith was a talented and infuriating knucklehead who either played fantastic or was a complete tool.

I’m not bagging on you guys, I’m just chuckling at the complete 180 in opinion. And before someone says it, yes I’m aware JR has his fans…but if you read the comments after the series last year they were much more balanced than they are now.

playoffs...not playorrs
I'm not saying Chandler will be a savior

but he will help this team in some fashion until we get fully healthy.

As for JR, I have always been a big supporter of his

I would like Chandler to come back

but I don’t want Masai to overpay him like he did with AAA

Chandler will help this team more than brewer will...

Not hating on brewer but chandler is obviously better than him..

Agree

If AAA doesn’t get his act together we should start

Mozgov
Nene
Gallo
Chandler
Ty

When fully healthy

Well I am one of those JR fans who has always been behind JR

But I will contend games 3 and 5 were lost when JR was sitting on the bench.
Oh and btw he and Gallo won us game 4.
So yes, I do miss JR and even when we had the lead with JR, Karl still tried to play the much worse Felton over him.
It was disgusting and offensive to me, probably worse for JR. He is thinking I am playing well, we have the lead, then coach takes me out and we start losing the lead.
Ugh yeah I would ship out of town too.

Wow. I just read this,

and the thought of Karl keeping Felton in the game and sitting JR just made me irrationally angry.

I think you're knocking down straw men a little bit re chandler

All I have read is that he’s a good player that can definitely help us, especially when we are depleted. I haven’t really seen anyone say he will single-handedly turn the season around.

wow you guys gotta check out what kmart said on si.com

bIasts karI for dumpin on meIo when he isnt on the team anymore. if karI was such a great coach, then meIo wouIdnt want to Ieave. that now that him, meIo, and jr are out, he got what he wanted, anyways cIearIy kmart did not Iike karI much and didnt see him as a great coach.

Link?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/02/19/kenyon.martin/index.html?sct=nba_t11_a2
Wow

Good for Kmart. I agree with him 100% Love him hating on Karl

I have to say he just went up several points in my book.
pretty interesting to see if him and karl exchange any words

since they play each other wednesday

I guess we should thank Karl for the gallo trade then.
So, I was looking for the Nuggets game thread

Am I in the right place?

I think you accidentally stumbled onto the

Mavs .vs Knicks thread.

Will it be okay to talk about the Nuggets game

in a few hours?

I have no beef with that.

There are a few things worth talking about related to the Nuggs.

yeah

however this turned into a Knicks game thread for awhile

Hey guys...posted a story about the Kmart interview on the front page

Put all the comments about it there. Thanks!

I'M SO FED UP

I’M SO TIRED OF (INSERT NAME). (INSERT NAME) IS KILLING THE (INSERT TEAM). IF IT WEREN’T FOR (INSERT NAME) THE (INSERT TEAM) WOULD BE WINNING THE (INSERT CHAMPIONSHIP) NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

IN FACT, IM SO FED UP WITH (INSERT NAME) THAT I’M GOING TO ABANDON MY FAITHFULNESS TO THE (INSERT TEAM) AND THROW IT AT THE (INSERT TEAM TWO) BECAUSE OF (INSERT TEAM TWO ISSUE).

I’M SO TIRED OF IT.

This is the comment of the day.

I LOVE THIS

Are the blanks Karl, Nuggets and Knicks??
That comment about (insert comment here) was completely (unfounded/brilliant/crazy)
DUDE, NO OFFENSE, BUT YOU'RE TOTALLY WRONG

(INSERT NAME) ISN’T EVEN REMOTELY THE PROBLEM. JUST GIVE HIM (INSERT WHAT-YOU-WILL) AND YOU’LL SEE. HE’S A KEY PIECE OF A (INSERT CHAMPIONSHIP) WINNING TEAM.

IF YOU’RE SUCH A FAIRWEATHER, BANDWAGGON FAN OF (INSERT TEAM), YOU CAN JUST GO AWAY AND ROOT FOR (INSERT TEAM TWO).

LIES!

YOU KNOW (INSERT WHAT-YOU-WILL) IS A DAMN LIABILITY. AND GIVING (INSERT WHAT-YOU-WILL) TO (INSERT NAME) WOULD BE A DISASTER. FOR ALL WE KNOW (INSERT NAME) WOULD (INSERT BEHAVIOR) TO (INSERT WHAT-YOU-WILL).

IF YOU ARE SUCH A BLIND FAN OF (INSERT TEAM) AND (INSERT NAME) THAN MAYBE YOU DON’T DESERVE THE (INSERT CHAMPIONSHIP) FOR NOT WANTING WHAT IS BEST FOR (INSERT TEAM).

AAAAAAHHHHHH

If only we hadn’t let (What’s-his-name) and (That-other-guy) walk we would have it all.

Mad libs are hours of fun.
JVG calling out softy players for sitting out.

Loving it.

When is Nene

coming back?

and is gallo

playing? if not when is he coming back?

I'm trying to figure out when people are going to start calling

Gallo soft along with Nene for missing timeout due to injury.

Maybe Andrew will.

He’s calling out Melo for not playing through his injuries.

I dont think

i have ever posted on this site before rofl. Those were honest questions haha

I dont follow

the nuggets

No one knows basically.
I don't like it when anyone calls out any player for missing time due to injury

II can’t figure out where it comes from myself.

Especially with guys who have no history of milking injuries.

They are not Vince Carter in Toronto.

Gallo has a severely sprained ankle that we were very fortunate wasn't a chip fracture as well

so I’d say that’s legit. Nene had a pre-existing injury that actually caused the calf strain. Probably best for him to sit out until he is better.

I'm just excited that the game will be on ESPN

well for the viewing not the announcers, although JVG won’t be doing it, so that’s okay.

if its dorris burke i probably will mute it
The absolute most ridiculous response to 3 made 3s in a row ever

and stop shitting on Nuggets players b/c you are mad JR is gone. As if they had anything to do with it or are exactly direct replacements. Support your team

I have been supporting the Nuggets fir a looong time and that won't change.

Still doesn’t mean that Rudy is worse or reveal that Karl is not the greatest coach.

Koz tweeting (yeah, I know AoN)

that Rudy is a game time decision with his back…maybe we’ll get to see J-Ham (bestest last name evah, btw) get some burn tonight.

Nene still have a sprained leg hair and can't make it?
Have you ever had a sprained leg hair?

Those mf’ers HURT

when you wear socks too long

and your hairs get angry.

do not like

Especially when there’s a split end?

Anyone use this site with Chrome and have issues with loading?
Firefox FTW
Firefox can lick my...

Memory hogging piece of but it does seem to work for this site.

I use opera

best of both worlds. It works on sbnation and it doesn’t take as much memory as my OS to run.

and it doesn't have that exploit that safari has which allows anyone to write cookies even though you said don't.
I want the to tailor my ads to me.

How will I know where to get the best deals on beer, porn and stinky lettuce?

Lyons, the intrernet, and anywhere these days, respectively.
Worth noting

that your results may vary. I’m often on linux, and opera is much better on the memory front running on linux or mac than on Windows.

Linux?

You’ve lost me. Looks like FF for this site and Chrome for everything else.

What version of FF do you have?

VII with Cloud Strife.

I don't know they couldv'e updated it since I took a sip of my beer.

Versions 10.2.4.5.6.5:11 Sunday update.

I have 10.0.2 which updated a couple of days ago.
dont forget to reboot your machine so you can get this hours version of Adobe acrobat
I need a flash update as well.
Also, Windows issued a 10 part update Friday
Apple.

Jobs says eff off Gates.

Ah...well forget it then.
read this

http://firefoxsuck.blogspot.com/

Legit.

Even have grammatical errors in the second sentence and everything!

Grammar?

This is the internet.

Its funny when someone posts complete love or hate about something they can't control.

I mean of course a non sports team thing they can’t control. The rest of it is just crazy!

I use Chrome, and I’m fine.

Now I'm confused.

Ah well. First world problems.

Reboot
Who are you my works IT department?
Rebooting actually fixes a lot of temporary glitches

Seriously. Try it.

I know that's why I asked if you work with me.

“Hey my computer won’t work, froze, etc.”

IT Guy- “Did you reboot?”

Me- “Since that’s your answer for everything for the last 10 years yes I have.”

But have you rebooted?
Nope.

FF works fine. I guess I’ll use it for now.

Can we get a good mobile site that refreshes for here so I can do game threads on my phone or Kindle?

I play piano in a rock band, had a gig this week

My electric keyboard crapped out mid-song and mid-set. We spent about 10 minutes between songs trying to get it to work, tried three different cables to the sound system, tried every channel on the board… Nothing was working.

Then I turned the keyboard off and back on and, of course, it worked.

Should have tried that first.

It’s the only way to shut up the IT guys.

you have to give the IT guys a break

My sister worked as tech support once and there were a lot of times she gets stressed out. Some people are really just dumb with computers. I think that lady who thought the cd rom drive was a cup holder (and thus asked where the other one was) really pushed her to quit.

True frakkin' story
Heh.

Memory usage is a funny thing.

Made a fanpost about my thoughts about the current state of the Nuggets

link

Also, got a Gallo jersey today for my b-day, rockin it already!

Haha nice

asked for a Gallo jersery for my bday too, know I’m getting it, have to wait two more days though

And in other former Nugget player news.

Iverson’s new answer is soccer.

Nate posted a first half thread guys

take all game-related conversation there

Non-game conversation stays here?
Postal Service seeks 50 cent stamps.

How little do I care?

Good thing I have forever stamps
50 cent is still popular so I can see why the would want him on a stamp.
initial thoughts at the game...

Alot more nuggets fans in OKC than I thought

lmao

The game night program has Chris Anderson,nene,stone AAA and Lawson as the projected starters

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