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Nuggets at Clippers recap: No more Clippers highlight reel ...

Timofey Mozgov's hard foul on the Clippers' high-flying Blake Griffin in the third quarter pretty much summed up the Nuggets emphatic victory over the Clips.

Star-divide

When Blake Griffin smacked hard onto the Staples Center hardwood early in what would become a dominant third quarter by our Nuggets, I knew last night's game was over. Whether it was the Clippers, playing their fourth game in five nights against tough opponents, had simply run out of gas or whether it was the Nuggets, playing like crap for two straight games against tough opponents, had simply had enough of the poor play and the naysaying from Nuggets Nation, we won't know for sure.

But regardless, with their 112-91 victory the Nuggets saved face after a bad week thus far and inched a little bit ahead of the Clippers in the overall Western Conference standings.

Unfortunately, because the Clippers were clearly exhausted we can't read much into this game other than the obvious observation: the Nuggets' depth was too much for the Clippers to handle, especially when fatigue kicked in. And don't let the box score fool you that shows the Clippers' bench scoring 33 points to the Nuggets' bench's 39 ... most of that production from the Clips came during meaningless garbage time.

When not playing a fourth game in five nights, the Clippers remain a team to be reckoned with. But this lockout-shortened season will serve up many four-in-fives, and seeing the debacle last night means the Clippers might slip a bit in the standings if they can't weather the scheduling. Conversely, the Nuggets - purposefully or not - were built for this lockout schedule. And while the Nuggets aren't above getting tired themselves, they can handle the schedule better than most - if not all - of their Western Conference counterparts.

Last night's outcome should have restored (some) faith that the Nuggets will do just fine in the regular season. Post-season success, however, will be a different matter altogether and I maintain my prediction that the Nuggets and Clippers will see each other at some point during the playoffs. And there's no doubt that Griffin will remember Mozgov putting him on his ass in that third quarter.

(On a side note, we apologize for the technical problems SBNation was having last night throughout the game and after the game. We believe the issues have been fixed.)

Non-Stiff(s) of the Game

Danilo Gallinari and Ty Lawson: Remember when we collectively remarked about how much not having Lawson hurt the Nuggets when they lost to the Clippers on Sunday? Lawson killed the Clips last night with his frenetic pace and combining that with Gallo making 70% of his shots proved to be too much for the Clippers to handle.

Stiff of the Game

Chauncey Billups: The effects of four games in five nights were most evident with Billups, who looked exhausted from the get-go and managed to connect on just two of his nine field goal attempts. And defensively, Billups couldn't handle Lawson, Andre Miller or Arron Afflalo (who finally had a decent game!). The Clippers would have been better off sitting Billups and giving Mo Williams his minutes.

Parting Shot

Don't read too much into last night's game. The Nuggets were the beneficiaries of a scheduling oddity that the Clippers couldn't overcome. The real test comes tonight when the Nuggets are on a back-to-back and their opponent - the Lakers - are the rested squad.

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Snow day first!
Nice game

The much maligned AAA played well last night. Good D on CP3 and looked much better on O.

Nice to see the bigs get time and play well. Good work Moz!

It was...

AAA kinda pushed himself into the flow instead of standing and watching – good to see.

Moz was super impressive

I hope Karl was paying attention…

quote from yahoo article on mozgov foul on griffin

It rattled me a little bit," said Griffin, who missed both free throws. "It was a good foul, a hard foul."

Gallinari said, "`We know that once Blake takes off, it’s almost impossible to block his shot. So you’ve got to find him before he takes off. Timo was able to be on the weak side at the right time. It was a tough foul, but sometimes you’ve got to do it."

Credit former Clipper Andre Miller with the suggestion.

"He had a lot of dunks on us in the first half, and Andre Miller said, `The next time he tries to dunk the ball, let’s try to put him on his behind,"’ Al Harrington said. "He almost still made it, but it was a hard foul and he missed. It was a definitely a statement for us, defensively, and it set a precedent for how we were going to play the rest of the game. Teams try to bully us because we play so fast, so it was good to be on the other end of it for once."

Oh ya...

Since we lost KMart, we’ve needed someone to step up and take control of the paint when things get frantic – nice!

Excuses for the Clippers aside..

One thing last night did prove was how valuable Ty is. The Clips had no answer for him and his speed. And an 8-4 road record is solid. Just 8 road wins for a .500 road record.

Time to get the home court house in order Nuggets! Start a dominating home win streak tonight.

BEAT LA take 2!

dang, GK actually sticking with size

look what happens!

I would like to feel hopeful...

But just like the last 2 games, it seems like sometimes the crazy switch goes off in his brain… Let’s hope…

He did in the fourth quarter

fortunately we were up by 22. He had Lawson, Miller, AAA, Rudy and Al out there for about 2 or 3 minutes.

faried

looked like people were trying to get faried into the game too hard.

Faried is undercooked

Give him blowout minutes and a offseason, he isn’t ready this season

Don't forget he is one of the few four year college players

He might appear more ready if given a few real minutes, rather than junk time featuring forced lobs.

undercooked is the perfect description...

needs time…

Yep

watching him live last night, he seems to be lost or a bit scattered quite a bit in the offensive sets. Lawson, Miller and Karl were all taking time to point things out to him.

Right now, the guy is Manimal in the paint and Balkman outside of it. Just needs to keep working on the mental side until he stops having to think so much.

A lot of people want him to get minutes (understandably so because of his energy)

I think a lot of us overlook Mozgov not given a lot of duties when he first arrived here, now he is starting and his minutes are slowly increasing. I see the same situation for Faried (minutes increasing next year). Although it would be nice to see what he could do when our lead wasn’t so high (meaning playing against non-scrubs)

Noticed

that too, they try to force it when he comes in

yesterday was a perfect basketball day

1. Nuggets get revenge
1a. GK plays size
2. Utah loses
3. Portland loses
4. NY loses

well put Mancar

can I add

1.b Mozgov continues to exact revenge for that over rated dunk. Takes the Clippers as a personal challenge. Good for you Mozzy

1.c Its Alive! Eat Ease A LIve! AAA is stirring.

4.B Reason why Knicks could make a crunch shot is because they had only their “stars” shooting them. How’s that for reverse conventionalism? Did you hear that from ESPN? No because they have their own religion.

any chance tonights game gets canceled?
Negative Ghostrider

The pattern is full

Lets hope we get 2 out of this BBB

Winning tonight at home vs. LAL

Is going to be key. Can they muster what that’s going to require after last night and I’m assuming some possible flight difficulties? If so, we could potentially come out of it 3 for 3. I’m just flat out not impressed w/ Portland and with Batum out (I think) we could steal one on their court.

We need Mozzy Mozbourne

to play the exact same way he did last night. Tough and physical on defense, and getting to the front of the rim for good looks on offense. I was really impressed with his entire game last night. He did everything you’d want him to do. I don’t think he’s ever going to develop a true offensive game, but it may not be necessary if he can be as effective as last night on a more consistent basis. Fouls tonight will be the issue though, as Jordan is no Bynum.

We’ll definitely need more from Nene than we got last night. Wasn’t thrilled with his time on the floor. And I’m a big fan.

Great

game by the Nuggs
All AAA needed was a little push (or 2) from CP3 to get going

Hollinger

Has the nugs at #1

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings

Yea!

My preseason prediction that was posted to a Daily Dime comes true. ;-)

Thanks to Nate, I'm addicted to nightly draftstreet.com action

And thanks to the Nuggets (well, Ty, Mozzy, and Gallo – plus CP3 but anywhoo) I was in the money last night!

That Mozgov foul on Griffin was a definite tone setter too!

On the Mozgov foul... JA Adande chimes in

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/36464/mozgov-on-perkins-getting-mozgoved

The Nugs seem to converting the masses.

We know how fickle fans can be, but reading the post article comments shows how much people really enjoy team basketball. Heading to the game tonight. I hope there is a good turnout despite the snow and everybody is fired up. Karl-build off this momentum.

I'm a casual NBA fan, but have always followed the Nuggets

That being said, I love this team. This is the first time in a long time that I’ve been excited to watch an NBA game.

How did I miss Julyan Stone getting dropped from the roster?

Anybody have the scoop on this? Forced them to play Miller during recycling time last night instead of getting some rest.

Mozgov was a force last night, doing much more than his 11 points and 7 rebounds show. Karl was coaching pretty well, called a timeout in the second quarter even before I was yelling at the TV for one, and played Kouf before garbage time. Very surprising that Bird was a DNP-CD with all the garbage time. He must really be in the J.R. house.

He was coaching

well last night. The way they changed their D on CP was great. AAA and Ty were all over him, direct result of coaching changes from last game (and a healthy Ty)

hopefully Kouf is starting to permanently take over the spot in the rotation

these games where GK plays bird and Kouf 8 minutes a piece are stupid, and not really fair to either player, as you can’t expect either to have any impact in that situation.

If Bird didn't get in last night

when they had 7 minutes or so of complete garbage time, I don’t see much playing time in his future.

Stone hasn't been cut, just inactive.
Thank you

That makes sense. Was fun to see Faried and Hamilton get some minutes.

Ooh thank god,I think we mayhave something w/this stone kid
Yep

and Miller was inserted to provide some semblance of structure during garbage time, basically was playing “coach on the floor” because nobody on the floor had any idea how to run the offense.

Bird was dressed, but must have been inactive, no? I saw that 12 others played.

was Corey "Chicken Legz" Brewer

inactive?

He's away from the team for personal reasons.

Don’t think it’s been announced what they are exactly. Karl said he thinks Brewer might miss the rest of the week.

bless you. Thanks.
Hope everything is fine

Hope no one passed away that was close to him. He seems like he has a good head on his shoulders as a person.

miller on the court with the rookies was probably a good thing

he basically sat back and let them try to run stuff. oddly enough, miller’s only turnover came on a deep lob attempt to faried that was mistimed a bit

never scare me like that again

you freaked me out when you said Stone was dropped.

Sorry

looked at the box score and he wasn’t listed. Thought maybe they sent him to the dleague or something.

"Karl was coaching pretty well"

I just did a quadruple check on that one!

You wanted me to bash him?

Honestly he tends to coach pretty well during the season on games he considers big games. He’s more active, is better with rotations, and calls timeouts sooner. It’s frustrating that he takes so many nights off. He would bench a player who was as inconsistent as he is. And we still had the shot of him sitting on his butt with his head in his hands last night.

cp3 a bitch

GET IN HIS HEAD AAA!!!!!

This

Last night reminded me a bit of the playoff series against Dallas a few years ago. Nothing dirty, but good hard fouls and play. Definitely affected the Flopper and Griffin.

Ya -

I didn’t know CP3 was such a … whatever the hell he is…. putting it out there a little, but that same “whatever” is why I don’t like Dwight Howard – both have that “whatever” :)

Do the same thing to kobe
thank god GK played 2K over Bird

2K still a black hole, but much better defensively IMO. and doesnt get pushed around as easily as bird.

and give MOZ MORE MINUTES!

As mentioned at RMC - Corey Brewer has left the team for emergency family reasons

I hope he and his family are doing well, whatever is going on with them. Best wishes to Corey and I hope he comes back soon

Ahhhhhhh.... that felt good....

GK finally put a little variety into the lineup and those were sweet results! I don’t like to say this, but it was the small lineup that pushed us back up from down 10 to catching them, BUT, as someone pointed out – then he went back to big and all that was left was in the rear view mirror. AAA – I’ve been down on him and he looked like he came around – took the ball to the hole really well – he persisted instead of kicking it back out when he was stopped – me thinks that he is going to have to adjust his game to the new personnel and be a bit more "me" oriented – he’s not going to get all those open jumpers he got last year. Moz was the man – just a nice solid game with monster presence in the lane. I have blasted Rudy’s flat feet in the past, but with help on D, he was REALLY pesky last night – he really pissed off CP3 along with Ty and AAA. I have always been an Andre fan and always will, no matter what – the guy is just… "Andre-like" – consummate pro – he has picked us up so many times this season when we could have folded. Ty – looked like he was getting his game-pace back tonight. I HATE the small ball, but will say that when Andre and Ty are in there, it isn’t like having 2 PG’s – they are both "true" offensive threats and it is a true combo of 1-2 guards. It’s when the 3rd guard gets tossed in that I start chewing my nails. Defense stunk in the first quarter/half – could have been just getting lose in an away game – but it wasn’t playoff level defense. Watched the Thunder the other night – scary good… And I stick by my GK statements – the guy still gets outcoached too much and the word stubborn until in the flames still stands… for now. That was awesome to watch!!

Andre Miller was once again a solid player last night

Dude is NOT a problem for this team whatsoever… Quite contrarily, he’s a MAJOR asset. Nate’s article the other day raised some good points on rotations, but Miller himself, just goes out and beasts as hard as possible. Can’t fault him for goin’ in and doin’ his thing whenever called upon.

And I still say don't give up on Bird...

He has just been valuable so often for us – there is a reason why he is still here – he has had many good games, has changed the pace and tone and contributes. Maybe his role is diminished, but the guy is big, hustles, rebounds, blocks shots, plays good D – things this team needs. I hope this is not another “GK in the head” thing….

Bird has done 0 of those things you listed this year
Feel kind of bad for Birdman.

How old is he now? I have seen glimpses of his former self, but not much. After his substance abuse issues, I was and am still, pulling for the guy, but in a word he just seems “slow”-reaction time, coordination, etc. He needs to get hungry again.

33

Probably losing some of his physical tools.

I don't understand what the big deal is

He was never a great player. He had spurts of ok ness and the one season where he was desperate to have a contract he actually hustled. After that he just stinks.

AAA can have a stretch of bad games and people want to dump him already but Andersen has mostly stunk it up his entire career and people just feel sorry for him. There is no justice.

Feel kind of bad for Birdman.

How old is he now? I have seen glimpses of his former self, but not much. After his substance abuse issues, I was and am still, pulling for the guy, but in a word he just seems “slow”-reaction time, coordination, etc. He needs to get hungry again.

Wow you are wrong.
Birdman is slow, a liability, and provides zero hustle this year

one thing you didn’t mention on your list that he is good at is….biting on head fakes.

Sneak peak of Episode #2 of the Association

http://www.nba.com/the-association/

Anyone

notice CP3 grabbing Moz’s shorts when driving to the hole, thought he was gonna pull his pants down. Then he cryed for the foul to offical. CP is good, but he is a baby

He was just putting his hands over his head.

That’s what happens when a 4 footer tries to guard a 7 footer.

Learned it from Reggie Evans
So.

Whose going to the game tonight?

* Who's

Dammit.

Me!

Hooked up box seats! It’s nice being a broke-ass student with friends.

nice

box seats are great. And free drinks.

Si.

But honestly I prefer to be among my kind, the true fans in the nosebleeds.

Think itll be a sell out with the snow?
As a nosebleed kinda guy

Don’t sweat it. Drink up and enjoy yourself.

It's a rare treat

The provlem I run into is that I get pretty vocal, much to the chagrin of the people on there cell phones during the game. I’m not rude or foul, but I get into the games. I have often wondered how switching the audience between the upper and lower decks would affect the game.

Idiots on cell phones

Should save their money on tickets. Why???

The guys on the cell phones should go to the back of the box anyways

I get tickets to my company’s box once a year for Nuggets game and there’s the two row where it’s fair game on noise

I am

Got seats in section 102!

I'll be there!

About 5 rows above the Nuggets bench…

I was going to go but had a friend that offered me big$$ for my tickets. I saw the nuggets beat LA the first time.
I think GK is done tinkering with his lineups

I’ve seen him play with every possible combination already, I think he knows what combinations work and what doesnt, and it seems benching gallo had a positive effect. I think from here on out there’s going to be a more solid and consistent rotation as players get healthy and get into their groove. If only the players could be more consistent- thats a big IF… if Mozgov can give consistently give denver 11 & 7 plus 2 blocks a game, then GK wont be tempted to play small. we’ll get a clearer picture of what the nuggets are made of at the tail end of this back to back to back.

I think his blocks will go up

as he gets more experience. The great thing is he can block with either hand, so he can attempt to block from the correct side and be less likely to draw fouls.

Gallo

Seems to be quite handy with the left too. A damn good skill to have.

And

No conversation on ambidextrous Nuggets is complete without a mention of Nene.

That’s Denver’s entire starting frontcourt.

Gallo

Seems to be quite handy with the left too. A damn good skill to have.

Damnit.

Sorry.

Good point

about blocking with either hand. You know your basketball. Moz is learning. Of course he looks better against a dead-tired team, but he won’t learn on the bench. Glad to see GK forced to play the bunch. Can you say, “Watch the replay today?”

NEVER DONE TINKERING

You can’t possibly be done tinkering with lineups, because we haven’t played against every variable possible yet so far this season. And even once you’ve played every team in the league it doesn’t mean you don’t go back and tinker with it the next time around, if for nothing else, to throw off the other teams strategy against you.

If sales guys acronym is ABC (Always Be Closing), a coaches should be ABT (Always Be Tinkering)…. to an extent.

Does anyone have any info or tweets

About when the Nuggets got back to Denver last night? I’m very curious about how well they are resting and how the storm impacted their travel routine.

i dont think they got in till like 2-3AM

bc Hastings tweeted something like, rush hours is gonna be bad in 3.5 hours

Jason kosmiski tweeted "Just landed in denver!" 7 hours ago
Why was Hastings at the game?

I didn’t think altitude had the broadcast.

i was wondering that too

i saw him sitting next to Koz. maybe he did radio w Koz last night?

Yeah he was on with Koz last night.
It is clear at this point

that if Ty is shooting is jumper with confidence he is one of the best PG’s in the league.

Thoughts about the game

Great win for the Nuggets last night. I don’t care if the Clippers were exhausted, we went in their and took care of business. I have to admit I was a little worried after the first quarter, but the bench came in and got us back into the game.

A special shout out to AAA. I’ve been really hard on the guy, but last night he finally stepped up. I loved how he was pressuring Paul up the court. I also liked the rough fouls he put on Paul.

Mozgov: See what happens Karl when Moz gets some run. He really impressed me last night. I especially loved the hard foul he put on Griffin. He wasn’t going to be in another poster.

i am eating crow

today, i predicted the nuggs getting routed 111 to 91 a couple of days ago. almost had the score right but not the team. I also have to give king george credit, he left moz in made smart rotations (there i said it), and even gave ham n faried some much needed time. Enjoyed the game thoroughly and hope they knock off the lakers tonight. oh yead aaa;s defense on paul was some of the best i have seen from him all year.

Gallo

I was also impressed with him. He redeemed himself last night.

Don't read too much into this win

Actually, this win tells me a great deal. In this compacted season, it is expected that teams should be able to perform 4 games in 5 nights. OKC has won under those conditions, the Nuggets won under those conditions, so why couldn’t Lob City? The teams that will go furthest this season are the ones that will figure out a way to win games like this, so yes, I will read a good bit into this game.

100% agree

The Clippers came out and were hammering us and we fought back and ended up with a 21 point win. I will read a lot into this win.

Heres what I read...

The clippers are a good, not great team. Mediocre point differential. 75% of games played in LA. Their record is a paper tiger given that point spread. The nuggets are a top 5 nba team. The clips are a top 15 team. It showed last night

Strength of Schedule.

The Nuggets are not a top five NBA team. Maybe top eight or ten. The Clippers are not either, but they will be in a month.

The Clippers have played the hardest SOS so far this year @ .581, while the Nuggets have played the ninth hardest schedule @ .539.

I agree that the Clipper’s schedule has been weighted heavily with home games, but their home games have not been easy. They have wins over Miami, OK City, Memphis, Los Angeles and Portland,. They lost to the Bulls, Nuggets and the T-Wolves on a last second 3 from Love.

Irrelevant in the playoffs

because they’ll have time to rest then.

Clippers are more fatigued because they have a weak bench

and having a weak bench is still relevant in the playoffs

There bench just got better
By a little bit
Their non-stress-fracture-factor just went down by 80%
If he makes it to the playoffs healthy

they could be a very tough matchup for us. He knows all the buttons to push on Nene to get him to shut down.

That may be the largest IF in NBA history

The clippers were stupid to sign him but I’m glad they did. It just improves our chances at a serious run.

Clipper fan checking in.

I was pulling for the Nuggets last night to beat the Lakers, but apparently, much like the Clippers the night before, they could not figure out how to win a game when they are tired. Gallinaro looked slower than I can ever remember and his threes were bricks. Tired legs are a problem no matter who you play for.

Last night, the Clippers started fast in the first quarter, like they usually do, but looked incredibally slow after that. Part of it was Denver’s team speed, but part of it was fatigue.

I think Denver and the Clippers will have a nice little rivalry going forward. Both teams are young, talented and staking their claim in the West for years to come.

MISSION 3.0
Woo hoo. I love new missions
All Star Game

Do you guys think any Nuggets will make it?

Nope

Although lawson is nearing cp3 in terms of efficency. No name recognition.

TNT Pregame

All five guys at least had one Nugget making the team.

4 of them had nene so im thinking out of any player.. he will make it
Barkley

I think he had Lawson and Al Buckets making it. I don’t see Buckets making it though.

Ya he had nene and al making it

everyone else just had nene, but they all thought highly of lawson

Lawson

I believe a couple had him making it

Probasketballtalk

had Gallo and Lawson making it.

When do they announce the alternates?

Hate the All Star game. What a joke.

All Star weekend

I love it

It's a fun party

No one will dispute that. Had a great time in 2005.

But the game itself is a joke. The slam dunk contest has been terrible and now all-out ruined by product placement.

Seriously. Nothing redeemable about the game itself. All the players getting together for some partying and acknowledgment is fine. Just don’t see the point of going through the theatrics of a game.

We

Agree to disagree. i’ll be watching though. i’m just saying there’s worse All Star games out there.

I was lucky enough to go to the All-Star game in 2005

Got a job as a seat filler and parked my but in the first row behind the press. The kicker is that the owner of the seats I had didn’t show up unti the 4th quarter!

The pro bowl is the worst

Thats why Tebow was at the Nuggets game last sunday

All Star game

I don’t think the NBA All Star game is a joke. If you want to watch an All Star game that’s a joke watch the Pro Bowl

I think

it’ll be Gallo

selfish, but i hope not

they can rest and relax

I'm hoping that too

but it would be nice to see at least one of them playing.

I want Ty and Nene to get it

But I really want Ty to get it the most so he can get Tony Parker calls when he goes to the basket.
Same reason for Nene so he can get more calls.
Gallo will get it later, I see him improving constantly.

K-Mart signing with the Clips.
Link?
There were multiple links from different news sources on Twitter.

It was a while ago, try google it lol.

It might be up on SBNation actually.
I'm on Twitter

but didn’t see anything…

Idk, most of the bloggers/reporters I follow haha.
I found a legit source :P

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yeah, most were quoting the LATimes report.
I'm glad for K-Mart

This makes the Clips even better.

Will be real interesting to see how he does. He wasn’t exactly tearing it up China.

La Times is reporting this.
Does anybody have insider on espn?
Yes
ESPN

Says that if KMART goes to clips kthat CB should get all the credit

Can you read and post what Haberstroh said in his article if the nuggets need anything else
I did. I don't think I can post it but I can attempt to summarize.

1) he does a bit of history of the trade and of the Melo and Karl relationship (nothing new here)

2).he says we have primarily succeeded by playing on the defensive end

3) he emphasizes that we play team ball with no true all stars (although he spends time making a case for nene, Ty, Al and Galo
4) emphasizes that the Celtics when they won the championship were terrible in crunch time

5) says we appear to be like the championship team of the pistons or celtics but without any stars

6) never a
Says if we should trade to improve the team or play as is. Leaves the question unanswered.

I love that we have 4 guys that are fringe all-stars

we really are a lot like the pistons

But much deeper and taller
Greg Anthony articulated what the Nugs are and

what you need to be to win a title. He said, (paraphrasing) You dont need all stars, you need players who can play at all star level.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/02/clippers-kenyon-martin-agree-on-a-deal.html

sonuva...

/sobs

It's not the perfect frontcourt

But it’s legit.

I'm just pissed it's the Clippers
It is a smart move for him

because he is a major upgrade over Reggie Evans. It is a team friendly deal, but relying on Kmart is a game of Russian Roulette with 4 rounds in the cylinder.

The Clippers will become the Nuggets of three years ago,

Just replace Mello with CP3.

I can see it...
Also

Bring in JR Smith

Yes, the more ticking bombs on that team

The better. Just get Billups back on the good guy team before the ship goes down.

Won't make too much of a difference

I also wonder how Kmart will feel coming off the bench.
Remember KMart a arranged pedestrian #s in China, while Wilson and JR are lighting it up.
It could be a attitude thing or it could be an injury thing.
Either way, it’s not the same KMart we were used to. And he won’t get too many minutes when his carbon copy, Blake Griffin, plays ahead of him.
KMart may get some points of CP3 lobs, but I don’t know how effective he will be.

He is still a great upgrade for him

their bench post depth is brutally bad, when Reggie Evans is clearly the best guy. He’ll get 15 per game behind Blake and probably another 10 or so alongside him. Gives them lots more lineup flexibility and raises the talent level. He is definitely a strong play for them and the Clips are improved.

That's true

But does the volatile KMart realize he is coming off the bench? He is a great defender though, I will give him that. But he would be better suited for defense in crunch time situations than Griffin, but Griffin will get minutes over him and KMart won’t be a happy camper about that.

good move

I’m not worried however.

Timo's hard fouls will stop the refs from calling the soft fouls...

….or so I believe and hope. It seems that if Timo can get a sort of Kenyon Martin rep for harder fouls, the refs will be that much more likely to stop calling him for the ticky-tac fouls that currently plague him.

I want the whole team to earn their fouls….none of this “and 1” stuff. Go Kenyon Martin, if your going to foul, then make sure it is a solid foul.

good point

My biggest criticism of Mozgov was not the fouls but rather fouls where he was trying to draw charges. Ridiculous. get up there, hit, challenge.

WOOT

Best game I’d ever been to! Man, I had Clipper fans rubbing it in my face after the first quarter, one of them even made it a little personal and was really douchey. Then when the Nuggets came storming back I was giving it back to them! It was a great moment for myself personally. Great game.

\o
Oh

And I did get to talk to Al Harrington.

I told him about me and the video and he told me to twitter it to him.

How did you get to meet him?
When they went to the locker room

I was screaming “AL, HEY AL COME HERE” and he stopped for a second and I told him that I wrote him a diss column last year on Denverstiffs and that I was going to go through with printing out the article and eating it on webcam. He laughed while walking to the locker room and just told me to “twitter it, you know where to find me” basically.

He acted as if he already had read the article though.

Amazing how much that injury was affecting him

Though I am experiencing an injury myself right now. Per the doctor, I’ve got to ice and elevate my knee for the next three days. If it doesn’t improve, then it’s off to the MRI to identify the exact damage.

bummer, get well soon
I am going to be majorly dissapointed if I need surgery

They finally opened Parsenn Bowl at Winter Park and I was planning to go tomorrow, before my knee freaked out. If I have to do the surgery, it will probably wipe out my ski season. Plus, I’m not super excited about paying my $3000 deductible.

oh man

Yeah, really hope you don’t need surgery, that sounds miserable for all kinds of reasons.

I'd read articles on me, too.

I’m sure most of the guys do.

Really?

Personally, I feel like a personal apology to Al’s face should suffice. But I don’t think anyone, even Al, can pass on the lulz of your eating your words.

Al seems like a class guy

happy to see him prove us all wrong, now get to eating that paper!

Tonight

I’m pretty sure i will be around some Lalkers fans that are douches.

Is there any other kind?
its all good

just snooki it up and they will be buying you drinks in no time.

Mozgov in a mini-skirt

showing everyone his underpants? No thanks.

A little love from John Hollinger (Insider PER Diem)
• That New No. 1 in the Power Rankings alluded to earlier? That would be the Denver Nuggets, who ascended to the top spot on the heels of an impressive road blowout of the Clippers. Denver now projects to have a 1-in-3 chance of claiming the top seed in the West, rivaling the odds of current first-place side Oklahoma City.

Denver is only fourth in scoring margin, but, adjusting for home-road splits, the Nuggets have played a tougher schedule than the three Eastern teams ahead of them (this will be a recurrent story this season, as noted above), and as a result outdistance the Bulls by 0.17 points and the Heat and Sixers by a bit more.

If they still have the top spot on Monday, they’ll have earned it. Denver’s game in L.A. last night began what I consider the worst back-to-back-to-back on the schedule all season. The Nuggets go from L.A. to Denver to host the Lakers tonight, then fly to Portland to visit the Blazers on Saturday. Not only does that mean three tough opponents, but the travel is fairly ridiculous — two nearly 1,000-mile flights with a major altitude change accompanying each. Don’t be shocked if the Nuggets lose by 25 in Portland on Saturday.

Meanwhile, Denver’s rise as the favorite for the No. 2 position in the West also creates another interesting situation that we haven’t seen since the split to three divisions. It’s possible that the Blazers could finish with the conference’s third-best record but be relegated to the No. 5 seed in the West, because spots No. 3 and No. 4 would be reserved for the winners of the Southwest and Pacific Divisions.

If so, the Blazers would still have home-court advantage in the first round, but would be forced to play the top seed in Round 2 if they advanced. This scenario is also theoretically possible with the Jazz or Timberwolves, but one presumes it’s more likely to happen with Portland.
Nice

Glad I’m not alone in thinking Denver has the worst B3B in all of the league.

the clippers are not even in the top 15

those rankings are really wacky sometimes.

They get better the further into the season you are
Hollinger is an idiot.

Not so much for having the Nuggets number one, but for having the Clippers outside the top 12.

The ball never lies

And neither do the numbers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7535800/nba-denver-nuggets-winning-no-stars
ROLL CALL!

Guess who came in first place?

How did I even make the list?

I only caught the final minute of the game. Crazy.

Y’all need to step up your game.

We were all denied in the 2nd half
#6 ain't bad

Considering I fell asleep on my couch 3 mins in the 4th quarter…

Man, I was slacking last night
I don't think posts that are not basketball related should count.
who wants to read this for me?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7535457&slug=nba-denver-nuggets-continue-win-carmelo-anthony&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fstory%3fid%3d7535457%26_slug_%3dnba-denver-nuggets-continue-win-carmelo-anthony

Don't have insider, but Haberstrom just gave a cliffs in his chat:

Nuggets are legit.

So, what do we make of these Denver Nuggets?

It’s a question we’ve tossed around for months now, or at least since Feb. 22, 2010, when the infamous Carmelo Anthony trade was finally consummated. With a third of the 2011-12 season in the books, it seems the public still doesn’t have a good grip on the surging squad. Perhaps it’s because the Nuggets boast nary a household name. Perhaps it’s because they don’t play in Los Angeles or New York.

Or perhaps it’s because conventional wisdom assumes superstar-less teams aren’t supposed to be this good in a superstar league. Just how good are these Denver Nuggets?

The post-Carmelo era

Much like the infamous “Herschel Walker” trade in the NFL, the Nuggets dealt their franchise player for young players ready to bloom and a bounty of promising assets. Before last season, SportsNation voters ranked Anthony as the sixth-best player in the NBA, so it was probably a bit shocking for the public to see the Nuggets play significantly better without him. At the time of the trade, the Nuggets were 32-25. Since then, the star-less Nuggets are 33-14, matching their pre-trade win total in 11 fewer games. Meanwhile, the Knicks have struggled just to keep their heads above water, disproving the tired maxim that the team that lands the best player automatically wins the deal.

Since the Anthony trade (or the Danilo Gallinari trade, if you will), the Nuggets haven’t just been good; they’ve been great. The Nuggets have posted a bigger efficiency differential (plus-8.5) — which is simply how much they beat opponents every 100 possessions — over that time than the Miami Heat (plus-7.9), Oklahoma City Thunder (plus-6.8) and every other team not named the Chicago Bulls (plus-10.3).

How have they done it? By locking down the defensive end. Coach George Karl and Anthony have traded barbs about Anthony’s dedication to the defensive side of the ball, but the results are hard to ignore.

Before/After Carmelo Trade
Trade W L O-Rtg D-Rtg Net
Before 32 25 109.7 107.2 2.5
After 33 14 107.7 99.2 8.5

Looking at the comparison to the right, we find that the Nuggets’ defense has sharpened dramatically since Anthony jetted for the Big Apple. The team’s defensive rating dropped from 107.2 to 99.2 (remember, defensive rating is like a golf score; shaving points off your defensive rating is a good thing). The eight-point improvement on the defensive end more than compensates for the dip in offensive firepower.

This season, the Nuggets are ranked in the top-5 of just about every objective rating system. John Hollinger and Basketball-Reference both have them ranked fourth, ahead of other consensus contenders like Oklahoma City and the teams in Los Angeles. So why aren’t they getting equitable national recognition? When a team improves defensively, it’s just about the least sexy story in the sport, especially when we’re talking about a team whose fast-paced playing style obscures how stingy its defense actually is.

But aside from the team’s location and lack of a captivating source of improvement, there’s another thing going on here.

The star-less contenders

Here’s a question for you: Do the Nuggets have any legitimate All-Stars on their team? You might be able to construct a fairly persuasive argument for Ty Lawson, Gallinari, Al Harrington or Nene, but each of those candidates would need Scott Boras or Drew Rosenhaus to even have a fighting chance to earn a spot on the team over the guys who sell the jerseys.

Al Harrington
Jerome Miron/US PresswireAl Harrington has been only one of a deep and congealed Denver squad.

As cliché as it may sound, the Nuggets play team ball on both ends of the court. Their assist numbers have risen dramatically (56 percent to 62 percent) since Anthony left town, and the team’s defensive acumen has soared up the ranks once everyone bought in. With Gallinari, Lawson, Harrington and Nene, the Nuggets are stacked with young, team-focused players just a shade below the stratosphere of the elite.

This gets at the heart of why the Nuggets are a tough sell for the national audience. How can you be considered a qualified title contender if you don’t even have a star on the team? But if we have paid attention to the underwhelming performances of the Heat, Knicks and Lakers, if the pieces aren’t fitting well together and there’s no depth on the roster, then the box office star power means squat. Basketball might be more star-dependent than baseball or football, but one or two big names do not make a contender.

The household-nameless roster has worked phenomenally well in the regular season, but can it work in the playoffs when rotations shrink and games shorten?

The championship model

Conventional wisdom suggests that the Nuggets aren’t qualified for championship contender status until they have a clear No. 1 option who can take over games when called upon. All the usual suspects of contenders — Miami, Oklahoma City, Chicago, Dallas and both Los Angeles squads — share a common trait: they all have go-to guys they can lean on for scoring in a pinch.

Do the Nuggets have that guy? Before we delve into that question, we need to answer this one first: Does it really matter if they don’t? The Nuggets share the ball almost to a fault. There are 26 players with usage rates north of 26 percent (about one ball-dominant player per team) and none of them wear Denver blue. Looking at Denver’s roster, Harrington’s 25.4 percent usage rate leads the team, while Gallinari, Lawson and Nene hang just a shade above 20 percent, the standard rate if all players shared the ball equally.

Look at the list of recent champions and you’ll notice that they all have go-to scorers. The Mavericks had Dirk, the Lakers had Kobe and the Spurs had Manu and Duncan. But what about the Celtics? What about the Pistons? In their championship runs, they shared the ball much like the Nuggets have this season.

Looking at the most recent example in Boston, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett led the C’s in usage rate with 25.5 percent and 24.8 percent, respectively, that season while Ray Allen posted a 21.6 percent figure.

During that championship run, many will be surprised to learn that the Celtics actually were pretty terrible overall in crunch time, being outscored by 21 points in clutch situations (game within five points with under five minutes left). Pierce, Boston’s de facto closer, shot 1-for-14 (7.1 percent) with games in balance. Beantown triumphed over the Lakers even though its so-called closer stunk up the joint.

This is not to say that the current Nuggets squad is a mirror image of the Celtics’ title team in 2007-08 or the Pistons’ title team in 2003-04. The point is that establishing a closer in crunch time isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Most games are decided outside of clutch time and you can win just as easily if you play suffocating defense, much like the Celtics and Pistons did.

The issue is whether the Nuggets can bring the hammer on the defensive end. Right now, the Nuggets aren’t there yet and they were exposed in the playoffs last season on that end. But if they’re looking for a team-focused blueprint to copy, they can find one in the Celtics’ and Pistons’ championship teams. Denver might not have the collective talent as those crowned teams, but if we’ve learned anything, it’s time we stopped doubting the Nuggets’ ceiling.
the wise men's confusion, surprise re Nugs and Knicks, is predicated on 1 thing

If you believe that Anthony is a top 6 player, there is no real explanation for whats transpired.

If you believe, as I do, that Anthony is an average player, whats transpired makes absolute sense

From rotoworld.com

[QUOTE]

Wilson Chandler has said that he is optimistic that the Nuggets will offer him a long-term deal when he returns from China.
Chandler is a restricted free agent and there have been rumors that Toronto is very interested, but the Nuggets can match any offers. It seems that Denver is where Chandler wants to end up, but large sums of money can change minds in a hurry. Chandler can’t return until mid-February, as he is stuck in China until his team is eliminated from the playoffs, so there are a few weeks until anything happens here. [/QUOTE]

Where do we have a position for him? Neither Gallo nor Wil is a 4...

..and neither Gallo nor Wil should be playing backup for the other either

chandler will be backing up the 2-3-4
exactly, and I bet there will be reasons to start Will

Will is most likely Gallo’s sub and, Nene’s but whats most intriguing is Will at Shooting Guard. He is like AAA but taller and on steroids.

I'm not high on Chandler

but if his presence gets Karl to stop playing 3 guard lineups, I’m all for it.

karl wont

he could just plug Will at PF

He could

but if he does that, then he has to play Harrington at 3. He’s not going to take minutes away from Harrington or Nene, and he couldn’t play Moz less. That only leaves minutes at the backup 3.

you know, I love what Al has done for us

a borderline all star coming off the bench.

But Will gives us a player who has more versatility with respect to position and a better all around game

Just his defense alone makes him a potent addition. Last year, for much of the early season, he led NBA in blocks, that is all players, not just forwards.

Good bye Rudy?

Wilson and Brewer coming off the bench is pretty fucking potent

i like rudy hes solid, brewer sucks
No

His game has issues. But he doesn’t suck.

He’s Denver’s second-best perimeter defender.

Brewer is already under extended contract

Rudy is a rental

Either way Hamilton needs to develope.. brewer would be in his way
I think

Summer leagues and a legit preseason are the best ways to get young players up to speed for the pro game. Throwing them into a truncated regular season where your team has the chance to go deep in the playoffs isn’t the way.

It sucks for Stone, Hamilton and Faried, but I’m OK with waiting until next year to unwrap these presents.

Thats what i meant

They won’t get any meaningful minutes this year, but they will all be in the 2nd unit next year

Big Hamilton fan

Do you think we should have just kept him on the D League so he can get some real minutes?

Also, I know a lot of people before the season were saying he would be the backup 3, but I think he moves and is built more like a 2 guard.

He's a decent defender and his hot streaks are always nice to see

Steal…run the court…layup. I like his speed.

And trade the Birdman for Dahntay Jones
Nooooooooooooo

Rudy is awesome!

I know it's not gonna happen

but I like Chandler much better as a starter, than coming off the bench. Take last year, when he came off the bench his mentality was get as many shots in as possible (similar to the role Karl carved out, and criticized, JR for). If Will’s a starter, he will be far more prone to play with the system. I know Chandler’s a good defender, but haven’t seen him go up against enough 2 guards to make a conclusive assessment. But AAA would be an ideal bench player because he is well aware of his role on the team.

Doesn't matter who starts

Accodring to Karl, it’s who finishes the game that is important

While that may be true

it is definitely important to the players and their personal views of their own respective roles. It definitely alters their approach to game.

"Wilson Chandler has said that he is optimistic that the Nuggets will offer him a long-term deal "

that should answer questions about his will(no pun intended..well…) to be here, that’s not the Nugs hoping for the deal, that’s Chandler. It straight up says he wants to be here for awhile and he knows his role in this team by now. The Raptors are only allowed to have former Nuggets who stunk

It is surprising

that he’s so outright about wanting to return with the Nuggets when he has to know he’s not going to start. It does not reflect the attitude he showed in the playoffs, but with his talent and upside as a very young player, I’d love for him to grow on the Nuggets and maybe learn how to voer some 2 guards????

voer = cover ...not sure what happened there
I'm not sure how it became such conventional wisdom around here that Chandler had no desire to be here

when he never said anything to that effect.

I was wondering the same thing.

I think he was reluctant at first, but he seems like a very mellow and respectful guy that may actually care more about winning with an ego-less team than trying to be a star.

agreed, and look, I love Will

He was in shock after the trade but a mutual commitment on both parties would be a sign that each is happy with the other, like in a good marriage

Will is also mellow, painfully shy. But energy he saves from not talking much comes out like great bursts when he’s on the court. Just google a few of his dunks, defensive ferocity, blocks whereon he recoils like a tiger who pounces up.

All I have to say is this. Imagine an occasional line up of

Moz at 7 one & athletic, Nene big, strong and athletic, Small forward who is 6’10 and, yes athletic, 6 eight SG who is strong as a bull, fast as Flash and could jump over rim, paired up with a smallish, strongish, blazingly fast point guard.

For some teams, we would be a nightmare.

We will control the air and the floor. What else is there?

You may have me convinced

I’ve thought all along that Chandler would be used in a trade. But that is one spectacular starting line-up. Is he capable of guarding the fastest perimeter players?

Maybe I’ve been wrong about what the Nuggets need. Maybe all we need is training camp with our full roster and a full-season schedule, along with some champagne getting cold in the ’frig.

He is as fast as AAA

and more athletic

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